Posting for Braliin.
Ah Yoana, pretending to be a female again.
It should also be noted that Myrddin, and in fact all of NiA play like pussies and rarely, if ever, leave mt.
By the way, it should be noted that the things you do while immune to PvP once this flag gets implemented will probably be remembered when it's removed or fixed.
PvP does get forced on players, but sometimes it should. It's part of the game as much as RPing is. You can't RP a person into not looting you, but in this case if you don't want to go after them the simple solution is to get somebody else to.
This isn't always going to work, especially in cases where the person doesn't even play the character except when looting or killing. In these cases there isn't really much to do except adapt and protect yourself against that play style. Taking this log as an example, if Braliin continues looting Megs in the flet and Valinor doesn't step in and deal with it, then Megs shouldn't leave their loot lying in piles.
A suggestion for flet leveling, leave one or two people up there and have somebody sell the loot for you periodically. Say when it piles to 30 kills or so. This way if somebody does attempt to loot you, you will be more able to grab what's there, or else lose very little.
The PvP flag is something different. Mathias said contracts will not work with players who can't be attacked. I'm under the impression that this will be one of the first changes made, as nobody should be held unaccountable for things they do in the community. There would be nothing stopping a player from logging in just to kill all the service NPCs, ranting on the comms trashing guilds or going around looting quests.
I am planning to abuse it bolas-style as soon as it's released. Maybe there's some implementation of it which would be redeemable -- if there is, constant abuse of a flawed version will force the administration into adapting it to that workable solution sooner. ...or remove it, if such a solution doesn't exist.
what do you mean by PvP flag?
It's abusable. Actually, i plan to do my best to abuse it before i drop my activity to near zero, as a consequence of the pvp flag.
I'm not entirely against a PvP flag, but it is definitely abusable. I think as usual it will be implemented without any forethought and retrospectively dismissed or have shitloads of work put into preventing abuse on an event-by-event basis.
A PvP flag is definitely in the works, unfortunately. Mathias was talking about it the comm a few nights ago. I tried to argue against it, but I was shot down by a coalition of Valacircans and Galadhrim.
Valinor shoves it's big stupid head into every possible player dispute it can.
Example: The comm.
I think the issue with a PvP flag would be people like this could turn it on and continue to be incessant asshats. And Valinor clearly want to minimise their involvement in player issues unless it's in the form pandering to repeated cheats.
Give T2T a PvP flag.
Oh wait, that would protect people. Fuck that, Valinor protects those who prey upon innocents, not the innocents. Enforced PvP!
RE: Lobo no I am under constant surveillance and an alarm sounds whenever my hand touches my peepee :(
PvP doesn't even exist in LotRO. Yet it somehow maintains a significant playerbase. And RPability is nowhere near as good there as on the MUD. Best take advantage of whatever your game has going for you rather than just administrate in a completely retarded way, I think.
You realize even in extremely popular MMOs such as WoW, PvP is optional?
Can you masturbate, Myrddin?
Seems to me kind of like banning sex on penalty of death (Unless you can defend yourself!) because after all everyone can masturbate. ie. utterly fucking ridiculous and completely indefensible.
Ever conceive of the fact that more than one person may want to experience RP in a group situation?
lol pvp should never be forced upon someone. that would be great if we were playing mario for nes. that way it can be just you but unfortunately when you playin a MULTI USER dungeon occasionally you may have to deal with others. way surprising but i can see how people might be thrown off by the whole MULTI USER part of the acronym. meaning you cant control what others will do and if you want to exist in a totally controlled environment go play mario or never leave belegost or just type shit into a word document
Draimon you sure try to make some retarded arguments sometimes. PvP should never have to be forced upon someone.
I killed Myrddin once!
to clarify I think my last 2 deaths were 1 to norre during an RP event, another to norre/dalfro while I was questing dcms/broke near osg. (also in mordor to belkas while helping rhakyrh, big mistake) My alts are pretty similar, last time I died was either MUD circumstances or to some combination of Norre/Aryl/Cruice. AFAIK have never interacted with you on a pk level
Draimon pretty sure unless you are Aryl/Rav/Cruice (the only people who have killed me in about 2 years+) then you are confusing me for someoone else.
well all i know is i have laid damn a log page owning of him that will not soon be matched and thats all that really matters
Draimon, I don't think you were active when Myrddin was (or, at least, you didn't have very much overlap) but he's one of the harder players to kill (or mess with) in the game. He's not great of offense, but he's pretty darn good on defense. There can be no really strong case that he's been owned by anyone on any of his characters in the last, say, two or three years.
another classic excuse. a true owner doesnt let stupid shit like an education get in the way of some t2t
Also I'm not saying they are exclusive, but PvP ability shouldn't be forced. You shouldn't be able to be an utter asshat to absolutely everyone in every way possible just because you are the best PvPer or have the most friends. The point is that the game has more to offer than PvP and if PvP ability is the sole controlling factor then everybody has to invest time into that in order to be able to protect themselves. And some people just aren't into PvP. So if you're keen on ostracising a good portion of the playerbase, then yeah, no immortal involvement is a good idea.
I haven't been owned from the game :P I live on a university residence and the internet doesn't allow IP dialing, so I can't log in.
that was directed to myrddin. its not hard to see why you have been owned from the game. all you do is whine for someone to fix your problems and then when confronted with someone expecting you to do it for yourself its because you are a 'roleplayer.' pvp and rp are not and should not be mutually exclusive but i guess when you are a huge clownfish such things are too complicated to even fathom
well if someone is roleplaying an asshole who loots your shit perhaps you should roleplay as an enemy of that dude and kill him. radical shit but perhaps that might make a bit of sense. if not put on your robe and a pointy hat and stop shaving (if you havent already) and go talk jibberish to yourself in the mirror
I don't disagree with you, Draimon. However, consistency in the application of the law is VITAL for what you suggest. If player A is punished in way X for harassing player B in way 1, player N must also be punished in way X for harassing player M in way 1. I'll agree that punishment should not be administered ONLY if it's not administered in EITHER case. The situation presently is that one player has been punished in a particular way for a particular set of actions. Another player has taken the same actions. For the rule of law to have any validity whatsoever, the other player must receive the same standard of punishment.
Of course, Melkor has seen to it that the rule of law is a joke in Arda, so until he's gone I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Megs get punished for selling any of their own gear and not letting Braliin loot all of it.
I don't really agree with that. The game is dependent upon gold for progress. It is not dependent upon pk. You can't RP someone into not looting you, for instance, and if you put the onus on the player to stop this kind of asshattery you're basically saying the only player that can exist in the game is a pker. Some people play this game for enjoyment without PvP (it's supposed to be an RPG after all not a FPS)
well really harassment shouldn't exist. you can use the ignore command if someone is harassing you via tells. if they are looting you over and over thats their right and its on you to sack up and stop them
1. Treating all of your chars as the same character is officially not against the rules as per help files anymore (which is what allows groups like said 'harassed' to thrive)
2. The group whom Gambrinus supposedly used all of his chars to 'harass' are some of the most prolific multiplayers in the history of the MUD, probably second only to Marthaon.
3. If Braliin is his typist's only char, he's still using 'all' his chars to harass megs.
4. Even if it's not his only char, if the punishment is for multiplaying rather than harassment, then according to the rules playing all your chars as the same character is not illegal, hence Gambrinus shouldn't have been punished. If the issue is harassment, then someone using a single char is as guilty as someone using 2.
im gonna go out on a not so scary limb here and say it was more of the fact that gambrinus was using all his chars to do everything he could to harass a select group of people. of course i have a very poor understanding of rules that arent rules and not rules that are rules etc so im probably wrong
Anytime Valinor is involved in a player dispute, this game sucks more ass.
Got a fucking problem? Be a man and handle it yourself.
Exactly, read the comments before you post. If 'excessive stealing from NPCs' is considered harassment, then this should be too. Selective punishment ftw.
Draimon - the complaint is that Gambrinus got punished severely for doing the same thing, but less severe, so for Valinor to maintain the standards it's set it would have to punish Braliin.
That said, Melkor is the single most incompetent PoL to have ever held the position and appears to be doing his utmost to ruin the game, and has been since I met him. He is the only ainu I've met for whom I cannot locate a single positive contribution to the game -- I just assumed there existed one since he's a Vala.
this is absolutely in no way harassment and anybody that thinks that an immortal should be involved in this is a disgrace. it was megs being stupid and this dude taking advantage. is he t5 lamest dudes to ever play t2t? yes. but still not worth an immortal getting involved
On an unrelated note, this was quite silly on account of the megs. Leonor had a huge wagon at the entrance, she could've been piling stuff into it and selling 10 times quicker.
The point is that despite the help/lawsys files, they will punish selectively for this as 'harrassment' if the person whining to them is someone Melkor for some reason feels the need to coddle and pander to.
I did go back. Did you not read the end? By the time I got there, there was only 24 of each sword/shield/sheath combo left. I was able to sell the majority of them.
It's a pretty assholish thing to do, but I think this is the sort of thing best left up to the players to deal with. Gabilburk did that, he just failed to make the kill.
Of course, there was also 20k in loot up there and after the attack you didn't go back. It might have saved them some gold even considering his death costs.
yeah, but stfu already. You're shitting on my log page.
It's funny how people think this should be a punishable offense... There is nothing in the help files saying that it is against the rules to gather and sell loot you find on the ground.
they will probably punish leonor for killing the scouts Braliin was looting. They do anything to protect cheaters nowadays.
Lets see, Gambrinus got leprosy for going up there and simply stealing from the scouts before people were killing them, this is taking their loot right in front of them. Wonder how they will respond!
'Made Gabilburk look bad'
The irony is too much for me. I surrender.
herkie log detected. auto-rating...
I was going to say how lame it looks to post a log of you looting some shit, but then you killed Gabilburk, so I'll revise my opinion and offer a rating.
1.
The dumbass probably plead guilty or bribed.
You have committed:
* 1 Theft.
* 1 Attempted murder.
* 2 False reports.
You do not have any fines.
There is 1031 gold for you.
Gabilburk was confirmed to be the culprit and is being hunted.
The war party has called off the search for Gabilburk, but they have sent
some gold to help cover your loss.
surely a player of braliin's caliber knwos that already. not just anybody can type a lock alias and fb a few times
You can't report him for attempted murder if you kill your attacker.