Just posting this to show what a well(?) organized party can do against Shelob. Nobody is guaranteed living, but we sure smoked her pretty quick.
No was a warrior at the time and had whip and mmail and hbs, and I forgot who was watching but I totally ripped him apart. With a phial of ambrosia. Hmms Ill find out who was there
Explain to me how you can kill Ulk in 6 rounds. Thats like 50hp per hit, so you must have vials and shit. ;)
I just find it funny how I can kill ulkhalad in 6 to 10 rounds and he as 410hp and I lose nothing. I find it really hard that all those hits did not do 10k damage.but she could have defense yaya but still
2k per leg, 10k total? :P
She clearly has between 2750 and 3250 HP.
Umm.. Baklen she dosen't have that amount of hp. Ehtyar is alot closer to the mark!
She has exactly 99999hp
Durkin, as when any new area comes out, the first and FUNNEST! (hope you can sense the sarcasm) thing to do is to run through it and slaughter every creature in the area, before even attempting to find a quest. As such, there was a shitload of EQ laying all over CU the past few days, hence SoU auctioning some of it. Come on man, I had respect for you, but don't make an ass of yourself, it's just too fitting.
Wild stab in the dark... 5000hp!
1: NightCrawler: Please, if you screw over my lady ill rip your head off. And do not try your slick-durm pickup-lines on her... Do you get my drift?
2: Nice fight, but please kill something else than my beloved. She is just hungry and needs to feed like all of us.
3: Now that you all have stomped on her like a couple of times... Why not make an estimation on her HP-status when he is in 'prefect' shape? (I would like to see those numbers =P )
4: I'm bored.
-Norin the Nameless.
be quiet Mirk, I haven't giving you permission to speak. You can barely take a Mirkwood spider *smirk*
Leave SoU alone, they have their theme and can run it however they see fit. Remember their Guild is named after a traitor and they follow the beliefs of that traitor. Sure he betrayed all of the Allies of Eru but a traitor is still a traitor, so who cares if the go through and kill all of CU. Its a lawless land, what like they didn't kill any npc's in mordor before cu was coded?
Jeez
Wasach
ps. I am in no way implying that any members of SoU are traitors to their Guild or anything, just that Ulfang himself was a traitor and he is the one they are trying to immulate. Put I am not SoU so I most like got it wrong and will be told such soon enough.
I always see SoU running through Cirith Ungol and auctioning equipment from there, maybe I'm just ignorant and theres ways for evil to get these items without killing orcs :P
you killed a spider....
wow
;)
Show me an SoU that killed an orc or troll in the Cirith Ungol tower and I'll show you the ghost of an SoU member. What the hell are you talking about Durkin?
Thank you Melfice! After 50 comments I finally get my question answered... (Wich was what I thought in the beginning too.)
Killing shelob is all fine and good, but I'm interested in hearing how SoU justifies killing orcs, trolls and whatever else in The Tower of Cirith Ungol.
Talan... keywords 'fought her off'. How long did it take to kill her the first time? A HELL of a long time. How many people died? 36?! We had 13 people and beat the hell out of her in 10 minutes and only lost two or three people and ONLY because she can be cheap and kill them instantly.
And Kilth - the first time she died, like I just mentioned, it took a plethora of people, 70% of which ended up dying. The fact that we could overtake her with a drastically smaller party in a much smaller amount of time should answer your question by itself. We were organized and we weren't going to back down which is almost entirely contrasted to the attitude the first time in which no one knew what the hell they were doing.
No offense, Adunazon my tells weren't applied to SoU or any guild in particular. Your wraith is legetimate indeed for one shall always stand up against one's agrresor, 'tis a fact I can't deny. But I personnaly don't hellish care of her because i may still enter by the black gates, morover, I find her strategically interesting, finally I am pleased by the opportunity of treasure she may bring.
Why not leting a chance to the cat to increase till darkness can no more contain her and I'm sure patient birds of prey should have a great banquet on her victims remains.
Necsipaal
YEAH! WHAT ADUNAZON SAID!
Alright, I'm going to give everyone a little lesson on the theme of the SoU, so you can stop with the babbling. We are faithful servants of the Eye. We are His link to the free races of Arda. We are not BOUND to His will as orcs and trolls are, yet we do aid Him in all aspects. To top it off, we're a bunch of cocky bastards (or at least I am) who don't take particularly well to being attacked, killed, or assaulted in any way. Shelob has taken a half dozen of my friends and family, as well as me twice. I don't stand for that. And until Sauron, or one of his Nazgul cut my throat for killing His little pussycat, I'm going to smack her down a few more times. She will learn fear and respect of the black medallion, or she will die.
Kilth you are a clown lol
Excellent log! 2 Thumbs up! :-p
I still aint getting any response on my question...
I stand Corrected! thanks!
So to sum it up...
Shelob doesn't serve Sauron,
Sauron knows about Shelob
Well the question comes down to... Can willing servants of Sauron kill Shelob?
I would like to disagree with the previous posts on the grounds that:
1: She doesn't serve Sauron, She is a pet yes, but what really is a pet to Sauron? He is launching his armies against the rest of Moral arda does he really need somekind of watchguard?
2: Military strategy, with the huge amounts orcs, men and material, One gate is going to be a choke-point slowing things down (may increase the chance of causing conflicts as in the third book on the crossroads near Mt Doom.) A second open pass to quickly counterattack already WEAKENED Minas Tirith would greatly aid him.
3: Even if something does go wrong, Sauron still has Minas Morgul(yet to be coded) near the bottom of the pass, and CU at the top. HER LADYSHIP is just a plaything for Sauron and he already has more useful 'tools' to help him gain his prize (Nazgul).
Who knows, maybe Sauron will kill her later once he rules Arda, just to put EVERYTHING under his Will.
*acks my head hurts I need more dwarven ale...
Josi D. StonePipe (lucky one)
*fdl* Deadlok!
Actually I am pretty upset sweetie was just trying to seduce you... How can she think of cheating me? Psha! Spiders are not esteemed for their fidelity anyway!
Melfice, i was in the first party that fought her off, then i got bored and left, i still dont see how this log is great.
Actually Sauron really does consider Shelob as a pet, Josi, here is the quote:
'And as for Sauron: he knew where she lurked. It PLEASED him that she should dwell there hungry but unabated in malice, a more sure watch upon that ancient path into his land than any other that his skilled could have devised. And orcs, they were useful slaves, but he had them in plenty. If now again Shelob caught them to stay her appetite, she was welcome: he could spare them. And sometimes as a man may cast a dainty to his cat (his cat he calls her (how cute!;)), but she owns him not) Sauron would send her prisonners that he had no better uses for: he would have them driven to her hole, and report brought back to him of the play she made.
So they both lived, delighting in their own devices, and feared no asault, nor wrath, nor any end of their wickedness. Never yet had any fly escaped from Shelob's webs, and the greater now was her rage and hunger.'
I personnaly don't give a hell of Sauron's will for I don't consider myself as her servant, but I concur in his opinion, Shelob is the best shield one may dream for Mordor, if you evil help to kill her you just help opening a wide free breach in Mordor's fortifications which would obviously not pleased at all the one you serve and let the land we protect given to valar's slaves plunders.
Of course Shelob attacks anywho but I still think she is a gift one shall use wisely instead of slaughtering her. Please think to all the opportunities her sacred presence bring to the evil of our kind. I personnally won't raise my weapon against a beeing of my own brood.
Necsipaal Agann?lo Ar-Gimilzor Eldom? (non-exhaustive title ;))
<(|>HP:230 EP:228<|)>
glance
Shelob's lair(n)
Shelob enters.
'whatup baby?
You say: whatup baby?
Shelob says: Begone from my Lair!
'cut the bullshit and lets talk about us.
You say: cut the bullshit and lets talk about us.
'think you would date a NightCrawler?
'hell we're both insects. So what do ya say? I know your looking for a mate.
You say: think you would date a NightCrawler?
You say: hell we're both insects. So what do ya say? I know your looking for a mate.
Shelob says: Are you serious?! Do you dare insult me infidel!
'I coulda sworn I said cut the bullshit.
You say: I coulda sworn I said cut the bullshit.
'Come on shorty, you gonna give me some time or what?
You say: Come on shorty, you gonna give me some time or what?
Shelod says: I have longed to meet one such as yourself.
'Now that's the Shelob I know. We can make this work. Holla at me.
You say: Now that's the Shelob I know. We can make this work. Holla at me.
Shelob says: Yes I to believe this can and will work.
P.S. i think she is digging me.
Er, that last comment was directed towards
Josi, not Kilth. :)
Kilth, that quote was from The Two Towers,
chapter 9. The point I'm trying to make is
that although Shelob may not be one of Sauron's
slaves, he /does/ use her. Shelob isn't going
to stop an army from going through her lair,
but the chances of her stopping a small group
of spies is very high, which is exactly where
the orcs in the Tower of Cirith Ungol are weak.
However, they /do/ have the ability to stop an
army there, so they both nicely plug the other's weaknesses.
I beat her monkey ass. See my crit, all those massacres, the whore could barely hit me ;).
{sidenote}
( I was the most worried about dying and stuff at first )
Awesome Fight, guys!
Congratulations
Well, Kilth, I was in the party so I scared Shelob and thats why she died much easier.
HmMm...
For the record...
Minas Morgul does not = Cirith Ungul...
MM was Minas Ithil, tower of the 'Rising' moon.
Where does it say Sauron knew about Shelob?
If shelob is his supposed pet, why would he get angry if something killed it? It would just be sport for him would it not? *bah i'm ranting again...
That didn't answer my question. Why are everyone ignoring me!? *SCREAM*
I have to agree completely with Ranelen there. It may be that Shelob ain't Sauron's servant willingly, but she certainly fullfills a great role of guardian for Mordor. As Ranelen pointed out just well, the Morgul pass is very secure due to her activities and he doesn't care about the loss of a few servants.
And why is there a tower?
Its the old Minas Morgul, the city that was greater than Minas Tirith, untill the witch king took it under his control. Now its a blackened tower, controlled by Sauron.
I ask again...
WHAT DID YOU DO DIFFERENT THIS UPTIME?
Well Shelob is a foul foe .. check the first attack:
Shelob enters.
Kedrimond enters.
Bad enters.
Orleg enters.
Melfice misses Shelob with a clumsy slash.
Denezar couldn't touch Shelob with the ten-foot pole.
Adunazon misses Shelob.
Kelias misses Shelob.
Shelob quickly wraps up Orleg in a web, and carries it.
Shelob barely misses Tarn with poison-tinged fangs.
Melfice misses someone with a clumsy slash.
Denezar couldn't touch someone with the ten-foot pole.
Adunazon hits someone.
Kelias slams the skull into someone with gruesome force.
Tarn misses Shelob.
Shelob leaves northwest.
You emote: Raqtor is ready for death
<HP:230 EP:186>
legend orleg
Adunazon says: What the hell.
The ghost of Orleg
On for: 9h 40m 44s
Age: 0s
<HP:230 EP:194>
You tell Orleg: did you have low ep or low hp ?
<HP:179 EP:217>
Orleg tells you: no
Orleg tells you: full
Orleg tells you: 210/210
Orleg tells you: she just took me
You tell Orleg: WTF .. thats crazy
<HP:181 EP:219>
And as for Sauron: he knew where she lurked. It pleased him that she
should dwell there hungry but unabated in malice, a more sure watch upon
that ancient path into his land than any other that his skill could
have devised. And Orcs, they were useful slaves, but he had them in
plenty. If now and again Shelob caught them to stay her appetite, she was
welcome: he could spare them. And sometimes as a man may cast a dainty to
his cat (his cat he calls her, but she owns him not) Sauron would
send her prisoners that he had no better uses for: he would have them
driven to her hole, and report brought back to him of the play she made.
Hmmm...
First off, Ungoliant turned on Melkor, since he wouldn't give her the jewels and nearly killed him. (If it wasn't for his Balrogs...) Shelob an offspring of this traitor is uncontrollable, even by Sauron. If he was using her to guard the pass, WHY HECK IS THERE A TOWER THERE!?! He can't trust her, and if she is dead he can move greater amount of men and material faster consider its easier to go west to Minas Tirith instead of N, then W, then southerly... Shelob's only friend was Gollum, no one else. Sauron wanting revenge on whoever killed her? BAH, he has more important matters to attend to. (Destruction of everything moral for example.) Enough of my ranting, You guys did well! I wish I was there!
woo! she died. Does that make me a hero now?
If you're going to say something is thematic, I'd
suggest you use a factual argument first. :)
Shelob is not Ungoliant, she is Ungoliant's
offspring, but that is it. If she was Ungoliant,
everyone in this log would be dead. :)
Shelob is not Sauron's servant, but he does use
her as a guard for that passage. She keeps
people from entering through the back way, as
well as keeps /his/ servants from escaping
through the tunnels. He has been feeding her his own servants for quite some time now, if he found out that a group of them had killed her out of revenge, do you think he would have spared them his wrath? I think not. His western door is now unlocked, the Tower of Cirith Ungol is open, as is the way into Mordor itself.
On this issue of Sons killing her... it's wholly thematic. She may be a quasi-servant/ally of Sauron, but she also chased Melkor halfway across Beleriand for the Silmarils until Gothmog and Co. came out and whipped her ass. So they have more reason than most of Arda for going in and kicking some ass.
Eh. Talan. Yeah. Not Tarn. *cough*
You guys are good. Props to all who battled against Shelob!
Heh... Talan... seriously, come with us next time we fight her. Then you'll see why this log is great.
Yes Tarn, I know it's boring. The only reason I posted this one is because it was a bit more successful than our last attempt. I'll make sure to get your permission before posting any future logs.
Wow, these logs are boring already, the only cool thing in this log is Denezar's weapon. No wonder he got taken first, after having a 10ft pole shoved up your ass repeatedly you'd be grouchy too.
I cant believe they coded that btw. I swear, whoever takes that thing to rauko and actually hits will be in my debt forever.
And what did you different here from the last uptime?
3 minutes later, back at the batcave...
Oropher tells you: theres about 5 different flasks, lots of beers, all type for food, and potions, and speacily made potions. ;)
Thanks, T. I wasn't sure.
Yes.
You should have continued the log long enough for me to see who got my shit! Then aside from avenging me, you could have given it back. ;)
Genius T. has just displayed the law of ignorance in the fact that no fireballs were casted because Shelob has really high RM and you have to have EP to climb out.
i was wondering why i was unconcious during the other half of the end of the battle *Grumble*
WOOHOO! I got deathblow and received 1million exp.
<grumble> Quite = Quote
Although I can't quite Tolkien at you, Shelob is definitively impartial and feeds on anyone and everything that comes her way. I don't see a problem with evil players killing her as regards the current system of alignment.
And to comment on the log, what can I say.. that was amazing. The art of killing Shelob almost perfected already.
We kicked her ass with only 13 players (only eleven while we were in the lair). And the only reason the other two died was because Shelob's cheap like that. That was so fun. If you guys want to, I'm definitely up for this every uptime. ;)
WoO!