One way of getting Aiglos.
You didn't really specify criteria in your initial post, Kharaan. Oracle didn't scare me, but having said that I was well past that stage by the time he came to prominence. I always thought he was pretty good. Competent, albeit formulaic. Efficient, albeit uninspiring. The points you make are harsh, and I personally don't think they're true, but even if they are he probably still scared a few people and was a decent player.
I used to really dislike Raqtor. I didn't like him because he had a really good client. Also, he was a bit of an idiot and he killed me twice. It was mostly the client, though. He had this ridiculous RoboCop client which triggered most breaks automatically. If you don't believe me, go and search his logs; he solo-killed Azura which wasn't easy to do at the best of times. I spent a lot of time sniping at Raqtor and basically slagging him off as an automaton whenever the opportunity presented itself.
In hindsight, he probably was a good player. I'm not good with clients and shit. I have a few aliases and that's it. I hasten to add that I'm not boasting about that in the same way that Grimscar likes to. It's not a point of pride. I really am just shit at computers. If I could have programmed a client as well as Raqtor did, then I suppose I would have. Just because I didn't like the way he played it didn't make it 'bad', or 'terrible.' Just sort of different.
i also want to say that i don't even really remember ever playing at the same time as this Oracle fellow with so many logs, but i will say that after skimming through a few he had
1. a very nice client
2. a lot of logs killing people i have never heard of
3. a lot of logs killing moral guilded pvp noobs
4. a total lack of style most often exemplified by players whose light-bulb moment was not inspired by experience and getting killed, but by probably something gay like immorting a character and then forever playing the game simply as a series of numbers and calculations
FUCK YOU ORACLE
have u ever tried to stab yourself in the backside before kelevra
can u reach that far?
Makes me afraid whenever I am on that i'll pk myself, i am that good.
I am the best, the fuckin G O D of pvp.
Definitely wasn't Draimon. I thought Kelevra was one of the three, but it might have been you, me and Auri.
I think it was me you and Auri or Draimon.
Falgor, you should!
Tireless, your graphic is awesome. Btw, that wasn't me. Eaoden rules, I'd never kill him.
I don't understand chess.
...also, I disagree regarding the grid - I think big grids are good, but big numbers of frequently resetting super good equipment is bad. I think CM and scavenger pack crossed with Morimacil and cleaver have the right model - only give the good reward sporadically, and cap the total number in game at a time. Item scarcity is what drives player interaction, not having to be in one of ten rooms.
Making the very best weapons in the game much more rare (with the quest not necessarily giving you the reward when you do it) would provide a reason for anyone to ever use items that don't have total stats 180+.
Worth mentioning that, re:item scarcity, golding areas and top notch weapons have increased in quantity and decreased in difficulty while the number of people competing for them have decreased. That's literally increasing supply in response to decreasing demand - which is why the game economy is tanked.
However, it must be said that I could not agree with Kharaan more about the MU* part of the MUD being the most important component. On a related note, I link you to a graphic I generated in 2010, before PVP flags were released:
Was it Falgor or Lobo that killed 3 people with me, then we all got jailed?
It was me, Kelevra and someone else, and we got 2 people that I don't remember and Eaoden in about a 4 hour period - after killing Eaoden, Morwen jailed us all until we had to log out and lost our eq. This was when Salmar was the PoL - when he logged on he came down to me and apologized for Morwen's insanity.
(We all had the gold in bank to pay our fines, so it was pretty clearly not 'spreekilling', though we picked our targets on the spur of the moment based on who was around that we didn't like - and we were 3 for 3)
NO NOT KILL MY FAR HARAD. How did you find it hard to find people, whenever we used to try and spree kill people you were a wizard SO WE USED THE FIND COMMAND. Not that our 2/123431 success rate was worth the effort much.
That too. Getting rid of Far Harad while revamping Near Harad to rise newbies would be a nice start.
there were plenty of times i wanted to spree kill before i stopped playing but i literally could not find other players on the map.
i've said it a hundred times on this site but for less players you need less map, not more. for the MU portion of MUD to be enjoyable, there should be at least some interaction with other players other than drunk sparring in bkd bar and acting pretentious on the comm.
Formid is right. You can't even do things like that to inspire the newcomers nowadays. No spreekillings, no guildwars... sometimes even more guilds than players online. I'd get rid of all guilds and make 5-6 brand new (themes, names, fuck the nostalgic dinossaurs here. Valinor can make a 'GH museum' somehere), make clans be something again, etc.
I think you are correct, Formid. I also think that you are correct, Kharaan.
And Nasira was and is terrible at literally everything she has ever attempted to do, with the exception of killing newbies and growing facial hair that puts Philip Armstrong to shame.
I think Lobo was more on about the odd occasion when someone would decide to get nuked and go off and kill 100 different people around Bree/wherever, rather than battlepoints/roving ER or FRs killing everyone of the opposite faction.
i was told by ainur that these spreekillings that you look upon so fondly are the reason people quit playing this game and ruined things for everybody. but yes for many people it was a chance to band together and protect the righteous from the spreekilling jerks
One thing I miss are the sporadic spreekillings that we had. That tension was awesome. 'Take care, X and Y are killing randomly'. I'd grab the best armour I could at Laryn's and stick around bree/shire... sometimes I would get killed there anyway.
Not that I know of. She used to fail solo attempts on a lvl 4 char of mine in Far Harad... But you can't deny she was very effective in leading raiding/pk parties.
Nasira was a terrible PKer, did she ever solo anyone?
Mahamodie, Oracle and probably most of the FRA/Daen Hecil made me shiver in my early days. Later, Nasira, Bartoss, Amearn... but I could fight back decently around that time.
I don't remember who the first person to kill me as a noob was, but I'm pretty sure it was while I was waiting in Dale for the level 10 quest. As for the first person I 'feared' that would probably fall to Logan. Don't even remember if he was an assassin, but he killed a RL friend of mine who got too frisky with the dwarves in Erebor and from then on I didn't mess around there.
Eldalamber was one of the nicest guys I ever had the privilege of playing with. Miss that guy.
Horid and Calain deserve a mention here, also Eldalamber, if anyone remembers these guys.
When I started playing, I was pretty scared of Fjant and Kheldar. Kheldar used to hang around outside of Mordor back when it was still lawless, and it was more or less a given that he'd backstab you if you wandered past. I was also terrified of most FRA (including Marsellus, who was one of the first people to kill me in Mordor). And Haekon gets a mention for showing lots of people in Mordor (myself included) how quickly you can get solo'd by a wizard.
If I wasn't on their side, Dravin and Valerian would have been the scariest dudes I ever encountered. I was scared of all the Fjants and Marselluses of the world (and even the Elthors and Derexes)...right up until Dravin and Valerian started killing all of them. They were amazingly talented and inventive. Dravin tested some new tactics on me one day -- he wanted to see how badly it would hurt if he backstabbed with a bow and then shot me with some crazy expensive arrow from Erebor -- and that's the day I decided I wanted to be an assassin.
And lastly, no pkiller gushfest would be complete without a tip of my hat to Barazbund. There are guys that you fear because you're a newbie and you don't know any better, and then there are guys you fear because you're good enough at the game to recognize how creatively destructive they are. If anyone ever writes a book about brilliance in PvP, Barazbund should be a very long case study. He thought outside the box, he pushed the boundaries of pkilling, and he stayed classy as hell while doing it.
Vildoran deserves a mention, too. An excellent killer who is all the more exceptional for not succumbing to the Caligula style narcissism which frequently afflicts players who start to believe their own hype.
I still don't know who Garmir was, and for all I know he could be the alt of someone whose already been mentioned. He was very good, though; especially at 'stealth' style assassinations and catching the great and the good unaware.
Also, Kazin and his plethora of characters with five letter names. I would argue that he deserves recognition for remaining consistently good for a long time. Certain players are associated with certain periods, or with certain game mechanics. Ezra remained on the top tier of players for about a decade; even as the game changed fundamentally, and his erstwhile contemporaries were replaced by newer generations of players.
Yeah, have to agree with you on the Aryl front. Even the herks as a whole, as much as I hated the whole synchronized logins and going up against mm poison/mossed botas/large black cloaks/full keys every single attempt... it was effective.
First names that pop into my head:
Beroth, Arlon, Oracle, Karanach, Shagrath(?), Rendor, Azarael, Barazbund, Yun, Mizrahi and Alakth all had my respect as pvp players. They all had their own style and effectiveness.
Honorable mention of Cogline for his spider tactics (poison arrows, srs, lightning wizard solo kills).
I dread to say it, but the last few versions of Aryl was damn effective too in his own way. Even if i was not a fan of him as such.
I'm sure im too out of t2t synch to remember everyone i should have.
WHO DA FUK
Navaar, for me.
I think Iarla was was one of the first PKs I remember, attacked him when he was killing Dol Amroth guards (back when selling in a town you killed in was actually worth it). He hunted and killed me. :(
Yun and his alts as with Mahamodie. If those guys were around it meant trouble. I second the respect for Barazbund, a good, skilled player and great all around guildmate.
My first death by PK goes to Rendor. Not knowing wtf I was dealing with, I attacked the orc at bejeweled silver axe (back then worth 10k exp) in hopes to steal a quick load of exp. Turned out it was Rendors orc and he didn't like that. Hunted down on the spot.
Second death to PK goes to Yun and Elmdor. I joined their party (for some odd reason) and they took me straight to srs lock where they disrobed me and took advantage.
I was always scared of Karanach. He killed me the first time I went into Mordor. The second time was with an Amruin party, and I felt reasonably safe, but he still rolled in and and somehow killed us all - solo, I might add. His name is often overlooked when people blather on about 'best killers' or 'best players' but it doesn't deserve to be. Some of his logs are still on the internet: http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-47512/logs.htm
Draimon scared me so much my vagina bled shit.
Amearn, for me.
let's make THIS the log where we have the definitive discussion about the players we felt were the best when we played. this means back when you were a newbie shit instead of the t5 t2t hall-o-flamer you are today. who just scared the shit of of you so bad that you ejaculated your pants everytime you saw their name on your screen?
for me, it was usually TB/stwa guys for some reason. i guess it was always the expectation that you were about to be fucked hard with a lot of uniques and at least 3 people (nttatwwt). i remember always being scared anytime i saw a demonic deathmaster beacuse i thought it was some fra-affiliated homosexual come to stab their weapon into my back.
looking back, i can't say (maybe because i wasn't around or because i don't believe) which typists specifically i think were smarter than dozens of other frequest pkers, besides maybe mizrahi, who always seemed a step above. one of my proudest moments was soloing armada as he left bd tower as a thieft, but because i respected him as a player i bandaged him and just stole his gold (over 2k) instead. He told me 'I don't know whether to say fuck you, or thank you.' to me afterwards.
on the flip side, while i never feared him because i was generally on his side, was barazbund/talan and his chars. he was often one of the most frequent fighters of the fra type folks, and was pretty much the only typist i ever saw (julius/rendor as well, though he didn't fight them as frequently when i was around) that would make the fra types look like the lesser player over 50% of the time.
julius, though i mentioned him above, warrants a quick few further notes. never really fought him much either, but he was always someone i put my faith in as a guy who wasn't going to get us fucked up if i was in his party or we were on a pk
the kang (said like a negroid
I am. Did you give him a reacharound? Just as a bro?
fuck hashtags and retweets ni**a
that's what jay said to me.
'fuck hashtags and retweets ni**a.' -Jay-Z
That is all.
falgor knows whats up #realtalk
That Mirnac log was fucking long and shit and boring. #freedom #operationenduringfreedom #murica #9/11 #WMD #CivCAS
etrius is right - mirnac is a faggot. let's face it, it doesn't take much time to read a log. it takes less time to page down twice to bypass travelto spam. there is about a log posted per month, so if a log contains a bit of bullshit that isn't really necessary, i'm not gonna punch myself in the dick over it.
I do not think it makes the log 'so mucb better', no, but I don't find it any more or less annoying than the other spam commonly found in logs - such as people typing 'headbutt' and holding their enter key down, or shaping constantly and including their own 'humorous' echoes. On the whole I prefer people to edit their logs as little as possible so they remain truer to the event.
Thank you, Kharaan! I had forgotten about that funny log from Mirnac. Melkor has always been what I imagined Ruiniel would look like if he immorted.
if you are the sort of faggot who has posted bullshit like the above log, you probably should refrain from commenting on people posting logs that contain spam that does not 'add' to the log.
furthermore, please choke on a penis
So what your telling me is, that all the lines between bree and rivendell makes this log so much better? All the skilled involved typing tt bree tt rivendell makes my head spin. You guys are fucking retards.
Why not remove combat spam? As well as inventory, legend, shape and who spam? Logs would make for much easier reading if they simply comprised of one line saying 'You killed xxx.'
I like travel in logs, gives some perspective!
Why not remove TT spam aswell? Would take seconds to remove, and they add nothing to the log.
I would remove the log if he didn't.
Why cut out the quest? Doesn't that go against your QI site?